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Ballarat Tramway Museum
Document - Photocopy, Edward Thomson of Adelaide, 1992
... the Ballarat Horse Tramways. Handwritten order. Cuthbert and Wynee... Tramways Horse Trams Ballarat City Council Photocopy, A4 sheet ...Photocopy, A4 sheet of a letter or a Council Order, from the Town Clerk of the City of Ballaarat, dated 29/9/1886, delegating authority to Edward Thomson of Adelaide to build the Ballarat Horse Tramways. Handwritten order. Cuthbert and Wynee Solicitors for the Council. Images of document added 27-08-12.trams, tramways, ballarat tramways, horse trams, ballarat city council -
Ballarat Tramway Museum
Newspaper, The Courier Ballarat, January 1988 In Retrospect, Jan. 1988
... Ballarat Horse Tramways... Parade Ballarat Ballarat goldfields Trams tramways Ballarat Horse ...A newspaper Clipping from a section of The Ballarat Courier called In Retrospect which states events that happened from the past. Contains two items involving the new Horse Tramway system. Top one was about the horse tramways first accident involving a cow and the second one about what type of tramway system to have as the councillors described the horse trams as painful. Images added 3-12-2016trams, tramways, ballarat horse tramways, horse trams -
Ballarat Tramway Museum
Photograph - Black & White Photograph/s, 1890's
... horse tramways / pic copied from Max Harris collection..., "Ballarat horse tramways / pic copied from Max Harris collection ...Yields information about Ballarat's electric tramcars at the time of the opening of the service, uniforms and crews.Black and White photograph of Ballarat Horse tram with three white horses on it and many male passengers at the intersection of Sturt and Lydiard St with the Town Hall and other buildings in the background. Has the Vine Hotel modesty board advertisement. Also shows the horse harnesses and the dress of the men at the time. On rear in ink, "18)" in top left hand corner, "Ballarat horse tramways / pic copied from Max Harris collection." and in the bottom right hand corner a "William F Scott label"trams, tramways, horse trams, sturt st, lydiard st -
Ballarat Tramway Museum
Document - Photocopy, William. F. Scott, "Tramway Construction and Equipment", mid 1990's?
... and Fraser, c1887 as it notes Ballarat's horse tramways . Promotion... Parade Ballarat Ballarat goldfields Trams tramways Horse Trams ...Photocopy of a four page document, onto two A3 sheets, titled "Tramway Construction and Equipment", produced by Duncan and Fraser, c1887 as it notes Ballarat's horse tramways . Promotion document detailing Duncan and Fraser's premises, Adelaide, track, economics, horse tramcars, depots, horses, rails, sleepers and tram route.trams, tramways, horse trams, adelaide, duncan fraser, ballarat -
Ballarat Tramway Museum
Article - Transcript from the The Courier, May 1891 re horse tram accident
... horse trams. Ballarat horse trams tramways Lydiard St accidents ...Transcript of an article from The Courier, Ballarat, 21 and 22/5/1891 about the death of Mr Charles Leggo who fell from a horse tram. Two sheets, gives full details of the event.Yields information about accidents or events involving horse trams.Copy of a transcript from The Courier, Ballarat, re the death of a Mr Charles Leggo who fell from a horse tram - see pdf file for good scan of the two sheets.ballarat, horse trams, tramways, lydiard st, accidents, horses, charles leggo -
Ballarat Tramway Museum
Postcard - Copy photograph - horse tram, Sturt Street Ballarat, c1900
... Ballarat Tramway Museum South Gardens Reserve Wendouree ...Photograph of a postcard showing a horse tram travelling east in Sturt Street, taken from the median strip. Has the Harry Davies store and the Town Hall in the view.Demonstrates copy photographs of a coloured postcard and shows a horse tram in Sturt Street.Copy print or photograph of a coloured postcard showing a horse tram in Sturt Street Ballarat.ballarat, horse trams, tramways, sturt street, postcard -
Ballarat Tramway Museum
Document - Photocopy, death notice of James Fraser, 1992
... Ballarat Tramway Museum South Gardens Reserve Wendouree ...Photocopy, A4 sheet of an extract of a death notice of James Fraser, Ballarat Courier, Saturday 13/4/1907. Was a well known employee of the Ballaarat Tramway Company, born 1830 in Scotland, died in Nhill 4/1907. Cutting gives family details. Was a coach builder/painter. Also gives details of a James Duncan. Images of document added 27-08-12.trams, tramways, ballarat tramways, horse trams, coach building -
Ballarat Tramway Museum
Document - Photocopy, specifications for the Horse Tramways, 1992
... the specifications for the Horse Tramways in Ballarat and found them... Tramways Horse Trams Ballarat City Council Duncan Fraser Photocopy ...Photocopy, A4 sheet of a letter (copy), probably to the City of Ballaarat, advising that the undersigned had examined the specifications for the Horse Tramways in Ballarat and found them to reflect the latest methods. Signed by James Duncan of Duncan & Fraser, W.W. Forward of Forward Downes Adelaide Engineer and Founders and Lawrence Grayson, Engineers of Adelaide. Images of document added 27-08-12.trams, tramways, ballarat tramways, horse trams, ballarat city council, duncan fraser -
Ballarat Tramway Museum
Photograph - Black and White - Ballarat Horse Tram No. 7, c1890
... into the Wendouree Parade depot. Trams Ballarat tramways Horse Tram depot ...Ballarat horse tram No. 7 with two horses with the lake in the background at the tram depot in Wendouree Parade. Shows the triangular leg at the depot entrance.Yields information about tram 7 and the triangular track into the Wendouree Parade depot.Black and white photograph - multiple copies held. Fifth copy has notes on rear - see image 2trams, ballarat tramways, horse tram, depot, tram 7 -
Ballarat Tramway Museum
Photograph - Horse tram at Gardens Loop, Peter Waugh
... Digital image of Ballarat Tramway Museum Horse tram No. 1...Ballarat Tramway Museum South Gardens Reserve Wendouree ...Digital image of Ballarat Tramway Museum Horse tram No. 1 at Gardens Loop, Wendouree Parade with tram 26 behind.Demonstrates the use of BTM tram No. for special events.Digital image, full colour.tramways, btm, horse tram, gardens loop, tram 26 -
Ballarat Tramway Museum
Newspaper, The Courier Ballarat, "Unique horse-drawn tower platform", 9/06/1977 12:00:00 AM
... of the recovery and planned resurrection of Ballarat tramways' horse drawn... Parade Ballarat Ballarat goldfields Trams tramways Overhead Horse ...Newspaper clipping from the Ballarat Courier of 9/6/1977 of the recovery and planned resurrection of Ballarat tramways' horse drawn overhead platform wagon by the Junior Group of the Ballarat National Trust. Has two photos of the recovery of the vehicle at Sovereign Hill lookout the previous Saturday. Quotes the President of the group, Mr. Geoff Hendy about their plans, including donation to the BTPS at a later date.trams, tramways, overhead, horse drawn vehicle, national trust, tower wagon -
Ballarat Tramway Museum
Photograph - Black & White Photograph/s, Horse Tram No. 1 completion, 1887
... on photo "(1) Ballarat Tramways (horse) Car No. 1 after assembly... instructions. Centrally on photo "(1) Ballarat Tramways (horse) Car ...Photographed outside the Wendouree Parade depot, late 1887, with 16 workmen standing or lying around the tramcar. Builders Photo. Tram is lettered "BALLAARAT TRAMWAY CO LIMITED". A sign on the advertising board says "Duncan & Fraser, Builders, Ballaarat". The men around the tram are dressed in trade clothes, with aprons, including carpenters, painters and blacksmiths. For image history etc see notes. See also Reg Items 1654 and 3042 for different prints of the same photo. Yields information about the construction, final assembly, of the original horse tram at the Ballarat depot 1887, shows the workmen who were involved.B&W photo (copy print) of Ballarat Horse Tram No. 1. Multiple copies held.765.3 - In the top left-hand corner "19", "No. 1 i n 1887", a red border sticker of printing instructions. Centrally on photo "(1) Ballarat Tramways (horse) Car No. 1 after assembly at the Ballarat depot. 1887". In the bottom right-hand corner a "William F Scott" address label. 765.4 - see image i4 for the rear of Wal Jack's photo notes and i8.trams, tramways, ballaarat tramway company, horse trams, depot, duncan & fraser , tram 1 -
Melbourne Tram Museum
Ephemera - Calendar, Topmill Pty Ltd, "Trams - 2005", 2004
... of Melbourne, Flinders St Station, Ballarat, Adelaide, Kilmore Horse... St Station, Ballarat, Adelaide, Kilmore Horse tramway ...Wall Calendar - heavy card covers, 12 gloss art pages inside, titled "Trams - 2005" containing full colour photographs of Melbourne, Flinders St Station, Ballarat, Adelaide, Kilmore Horse tramway, Brisbane, Sydney (runaway tram), Melbourne track cleaners, Wellington, Wanganui and Bendigo. Has a punched hole along the top edge to enable wall use. Provides dates for holidays, school holidays and Pension payment days and phases of the moon. Produced by Topmill Pty Ltd and distributed by Gordon & Gotch Pty Ltd. Photos by William Scott, A. W. Perry, Ken Smith, Ben Parle and Graeme Jones.trams, tramways, ballarat, bendigo, melbourne, adelaide, sydney, brisbane, kilmore, wellington, wanganui, tram 470, tram 866, tram w7, tram w6, tram w9, tram 653, tram 1041, tram 61-, tram 374, tram 104, tram 1000, tram 676, tram 103, tram 937, tram 53, tram 676 -
Melbourne Tram Museum
Ephemera - Christmas Card, Peter Duckett, 1997
... photo is of the Ballarat Tramway Museum horse tram No. 1... Trams tramways Ballarat Horse Trams Trailers BTM tram 1 ...Christmas Card prepared by Peter and Patti Duckett and sent to Keith Kings Printed photo on exterior with red printed ribbons, photo corners on inside with another photo and gold block print and the Duckett's address. Photographs by Peter Duckett or from his collection. Item used for 1997 Christmas Cover photo features an Electric Supply Company tram hauling a well loaded trailer in Sturt St Ballarat, c1906. Inside photo is of the Ballarat Tramway Museum horse tram No. 1 on the access track."To Keith" in ink.trams, tramways, ballarat, horse trams, trailers, btm, tram 1 -
Ballarat Tramway Museum
Newspaper, The Courier Ballarat, "The Courier Weekender April 14 2018", "Returning to Horse Drawn Times"., "Journey on a humble tram", 14/04/2018 12:00:00 AM
... of the Ballarat Tramway Museum horse tram with Len Millar on the brake... of the Ballarat Tramway Museum horse tram with Len Millar on the brake ...Newspaper - 12 pages, 3 sheets, "The Courier Weekender April 14 2018", pages 27 to 38, featuring an article titled "Returning to Horse Drawn Times". Front cover has a photograph of the Ballarat Tramway Museum horse tram with Len Millar on the brake and Arthur on the top deck. Inside pages feature a story titled "Journey on a humble tram" with photographs of Peter Waugh, Betty Leviston and Tony Callaghan of Sovereign. Quotes Peter Waugh, Richard Gilbert and Betty Leviston about the story of the tram, its use by the Leviston's and how the Museum acquired it and the horse trams in Ballarat in general.btm, horse trams, wendouree parade -
Ballarat Tramway Museum
Photograph - Black & White Photograph/s, John Phillips, 18/11/2000
... during November 2000. Photographed in front of Ballarat Tramway...Ballarat Tramway Museum South Gardens Reserve Wendouree ...Black and white photograph of ten of the people who attended the first Council of Tramway Museums of Australasia (COTMA) in 1975 at the 25th anniversary conference at Ballarat during November 2000. Photographed in front of Ballarat Tramway Museum Horse Tram No. 1. Featuring John Pennack, David Verrier, Richard Gilbert, Bill Kingsley, John Radcliffe, Ron White, Keith Kings, Bob Cowing, Peter Kahn and Keith Stodden. An almost identical photograph by Bob Merchant appeared in the Feb.- March 2001 issue of Trolley Wire. 2nd copy added 17/11/2007 - Item in good condition, no damage.tramways, trams, cotma, btm, conferences, tram 1 -
Ballarat Tramway Museum
Document - Photocopies, Alan Bradley, SEC Ballarat employee Mr. Robert Haines, 1999
... 52 years of service with the Ballarat Tramways, from horse...Ballarat Tramway Museum South Gardens Reserve Wendouree ...Photocopies of papers concerning SEC Ballarat employee Mr. Robert Haines. 1382.1 - Photocopy of page 20 of SEC News, June 1939 with an article about Mr. Robert Haines who had completed 52 years of service with the Ballarat Tramways, from horse tram days to the SEC. Includes a photograph of him wearing cap badge No. 1 with rank of Conductor. Gives details of employment and thoughts on the SEC. 1382.2 - Photocopy of handwritten extract notes by Alan Bradley from the 1912 Arbitration hearings, which include a profile of Mr Haines as pitman and greaser with ESCo and his wages and working conditions. Also includes a note regarding an employee - Mr. Exon.trams, tramways, robert haines, employees, sec, esco, exon -
Federation University Historical Collection
Book, Jacobs Lewis Vines Architects and Conservation Planners, Historic Sites Survey: Ballarat Study Area, 1980, 1980
This survey was commissioned by the Land Conservation Council, Australian Heritage Commission and the Ministry for Conservation 114 page report on historic sites in the Ballarat region. It includes information on sites, a schexdule of sites, silte selection and designated areas (ie around towns)historic sites, ballarat, wendy jacobs, miles lewis, gary vines, berringa, buninyong, creswick, dunnstown, fiery creek, lal lal, langi logan, cathcart, mount cole, mount egerton, nerrina, gong gong, wombat state forest, railways, explorers routes, early roads, land conservation council, ausralian hertiage commission, department of planning, icomos (burra) charter, nigel lewis, richard aitken, freehold land, public land, langi ghiran, new jubille mine, birthday tunnel mine, pitfield plains, smythesdale, buninyong company, mount clear, mt clear, canadian gully, warrenheip distillery, thomas mitchell, waterloo, trawalla, beaufort, raglan, internment camps, forestry, mining, mining, mt egerton, mary hollick collection, jubilee mine, burra charter, historica areas data form, explorers, egerton company, black horse mine, mt egerton government battery, kaolin mines, anderson brothers, barkstead, anderson's tramway, clarkesdale, berry leads, birthday tunnel mine berringa, warrenheip, australasian company, mount mercer, lanvi-kal-kal, water race -
Bendigo Historical Society Inc.
Document - BASIL MILLER COLLECTION: AUDIT OF TRAMS, 14/2/69
... Tramways System subsequent to horse drawn trams. Dated 14th... by the Ballarat Tramways System subsequent to horse drawn trams. Dated ...Audit of types of trams that were operated by the Ballarat Tramways System subsequent to horse drawn trams. Dated 14th February 1969. 16 B+W photo of various trams and a tram fare collection device.document, basil miller -
Tramway Heritage Centre
Photograph Album (part of), Ray Pearson's Photo Album - Trams of Victorian Railways, Ballarat, Bendigo, Geelong
Page 4 of Ray Pearson's Photo Album. Brown card page with two metallic look postcards (landscape format) placed on page using clear plastic photo corners. Both postcard images depict trams in Ballarat. Both postcards have come loose of two of their photo corners (top and bottom on the left) and are not secure on the page.Printed text to back of postcard at top: BALLARAT TRAMS / 1887 to 1971 / A series of four postcards. / NO. 2 EARLY ELECTRIC TRAMS / Electric trams first ran in / Ballarat on 18th Aigust, 1905. / Twelve of the horse trams were / converted to electric cars by lengthening them at both ends. / Eight of the remaining horse / trams were used as trailers to / the motor cars. / The electric trams were / given a secret trial during the / previous night to the opening / date, but the drivers clanged / the gongs so much that it / brought people out of their / beds in night attire. They / formed an unofficial guard of / honour around Wendouree / Parade. / The trams were gaily decor- / ated for Opening Day. As the / line of cars came down Camp / Hill (Sturt Street) filled with / local dignitaries, the brakes on / the last car failed and it crashed / into the one in front. The win- / dows of both cars were / smashed, and the occupants / who had been sitting in state / made an undignified exit. / Seating accommodation was / from 32 to 36. Six small electric / trams were purchased from the / Sydney Tramways in 1905 and / were converted to a similar / pattern to the 12 re-built / Ballarat horse trams. In 1906 / two open summer cars with / open cross seats (popularly / called toast racks) / were intro- / duced. These trams were packed at week-ends with / families en route to picnic by / the lake. A fine printed vertical line runs down the centre of the blank writing space to the left of the body text. Above is written: POSTCARD Printed text to right of image on bottom postcard: BALLARAT TRAMS / 1887 to 1971 / A series of four postcards. / NO. 4 THE LAST DAYS OF THE TRAMS / Despite opposition from reg- / ular tram users, the decision / was taken in 1971 to replace / the trams with buses. A brief / statement issued in July by the / Transport Boar marked the / end of the eighty-four years / during which the trams were an / integral part of the life of / Ballarat: “The change-over to / buses will begin on 23rd / August when buses will replace / trams to the Gardens via / Drummond Street North and / Victoria Street services. The / change on the Gardens via / Sturt Street West and Mt. / Pleasant will take place on 6th / September, and on the Sebas- / topol-Lydiard Street North / routes on Monday, 20th Sep- / tember.” A fine printed vertical line runs down the centre of the blank writing space to the left of the body text. Above is written: POSTCARDpostcard, ballarat trams, ballarat tramways, vintage trams, tram postcard, electric trams -
Unions Ballarat
The golden city and its tramways : Ballarat's tramway era, Bradley, Alan, 2005
The Ballarat tramways system commenced in 1887 as a horse-driven service and became electrified in 1907. The service ceased in 1971. The book tells the story of the Ballarat tramways and includes pictures, stories from employees and other social history.Relevant to the history of public transport and social life and customs in Ballarat.Paper; book. Front cover: red background; black and white picture of a tram in Ballarat; fawn lettering.Front cover: author's name and title.btlc, ballarat trades hall, ballarat trades and labour council, trams, tram workers, public transport, social customs, trams - horse drawn -
Ballarat Tramway Museum
Pamphlet, R J Nowell, "Ballarat and Bendigo Tramways Must Go", 1961 or 1967
Has a strong association with the person who created the document and his viewpointsPamphlet - photocopied onto fragile heat sensitive paper - now brown - foolscap sheet, titled "Ballarat and Bendigo Tramways Must Go" Issued by R J Nowell of 15 Selwyn St Elsternwick in the interest of better public transport. Seeks better transport in both cities, gives his reasons for such a move, the loss incurred by the SEC. Even suggests horse trams would be cheaper to operate. Undated - has a hand written note regarding it being received at a SEC office on Monday 4/9. Monday 4/9 occurred during 1961 and 1967. Note the Melbourne Tram Museum has a Melbourne tram map prepared by the same person at Selwyn St Elsternwick - see their Reg Item 1381. trams, tramways, closure, pamphlets, ballarat, bendigo, costs, safety -
Ballarat Tramway Museum
Book, John D Keating, "Mind the Curve", "Hold tight for the Curves", 1970
.1 - Hard bound book, 172 pages, including end covers, 10 sections, title "Mind the Curve", with subtitle "A history of the Cable Trams", stitch bound to hard red Rexene covers with gold block title on the spine only. Dust cover has the title, author, drawing of Bourke St and details of the book and author on the returns. Written by John D Keating, published by the Melbourne University Press in 1970. Has index, acknowledgements, table of contents, list of illustrations and references Looks at the establishment, construction, operation and demise of the cable tram system in Melbourne. Provides location details of the engines houses, tramcars, ticketing, management, politics, the Northcote line and the workers. Has a hand written note written by the daughter of John Caddell, a cable Tammie. On the page opposite the Acknowledgements is a typed note regarding visiting Mr Twentymen's house. .2 on the inside of the rear cover is a photograph and note regarding John Caddell and information about John's retirement from Preston Depot. .3 - Newspaper cutting, "Hold tight for the curves" - The Herald, 15/10/1970 - written by Laurie Power. reviewing the book. Has been adhered to a sheet of A4 white paper.trams, tramways, melbourne, mmtb, cable trams, mto co, horse trams, preston depot -
Ballarat Tramway Museum
Functional Object - Tramcar component, Hand brake pawl, c1900
Hand brake pawl, possibly from a cable or horse tram, smaller than an electric tram version consisting of a cast or forged pawl with a forged, turned and threaded bolt, steel washer and nut. Components have been removed from very rotten wooden floor. Possibly c1900tramcars, brakes, handbrakes -
Ballarat Tramway Museum
Postcard, Scancolor and Tramway Museum Society of Victoria, "Melbourne Trams - Past and Present", mid 1980's
Postcard - four panel, colour, titled "Melbourne Trams - Past and Present", featuring trams: Royal Park horse tram 256 Richmond cable tram W7 class tram - 1022 Z3 class tram 116 On rear is TMSV image, details of the TMSV Bylands, produced by Scancolor, Melbourne, CS1482. Has 33 cent stamp, postmarked for the Centenary of Cable Car Services, 11/11/1985 with a grip included and stamped "100 years of Melbourne trams carried on Commemorative official trip from Flinders St, Melbourne to Richmond Town Hall, November 11, 1985" in blue ink in the bottom right hand corner.trams, tramways, postcards, centenary, cable trams, stamps, horse tram, w7 class, z3 class -
Ballarat Tramway Museum
Postcard, Scancolor and Tramway Museum Society of Victoria, Kilmore Horse Tram", c1985
... Ballarat Tramway Museum South Gardens Reserve Wendouree ...Postcard - of horse tram 256, TMSV on the Kilmore Horse Tramway 1985. Len Millar driving. On rear is TMSV image, details of the TMSV Bylands, produced by Scancolor, Melbourne, CS2036.trams, tramways, postcards, horse tram, tmsv, kilmore -
Ballarat Tramway Museum
Ephemera - Membership Card/s, Ballarat Tramway Museum (BTM), Oct. 2022
Membership cards are issued to members and feature either a historic or current photo of the Museum's activities.Demonstrates the method of issuing Ballarat Tramway Museum membership cards.Colour photograph printed onto white card as a BTM Membership card for 2022-23 featuring a photo of the horse tram in the new Museum Entrance with the organisational name. On the rear along the bottom edge of the rear, has the words "Photo Peter Waugh". Has been issued to Warren Doubleday.trams, tramways, membership cards, buildings, museum, btm, new depot, horse tram, tram 1 -
Ballarat Tramway Museum
Newspaper, The Courier Ballarat, "Ballarat Heritage Festival - Hundreds share a passion for history", 12/05/2008 12:00:00 AM
Newspaper clipping from The Courier, 12/5/2008 about the Ballarat Heritage Festival, featuring a photo graph of Len Millar, Lyle Drayton on the horse tram with Theo Kuiler and Worthington Coffield. Item has a story by Meg Rayner about the Festival and the Ballarat Mechanics Institute and other parts of the event. Date and part of the caption written in ink.btm, horse trams, heritage, festival, events -
Ballarat Tramway Museum
Document - Report, Wal Jack, "History of Ballarat Tramways - 1887 - 1953", Original c1953, copy 2020
... the Forest City signals. Trams tramways SEC ESCo Ballarat SEC Horse ...Part 1 - Ballarat Horse Trams - notes that much of the details was supplied by the late Inspector James. Part 2 - Electric Trams - gives dates for the withdrawal of the ESCo cars, routes, SEC and extensions, including the Forest City signals. 11 pages of a typed article or research report on foolscap paper titled "History of Ballarat Tramways - 1887 - 1953", written by Wal Jack, Gestetner printed. With the file is a set of A3 size laminated photocopies, provided by the donor. See also Reg Item 6419 for another copy.trams, tramways, sec, esco, ballarat, sec, horse trams, tramcars -
Ballarat Tramway Museum
Document - List, State Electricity Commission of Victoria (SECV), "To accompany photographic record of types of cars that have operated on the Ballarat Tramways system subsequent to horse-drawn trams.", c1953
... have operated on the Ballarat Tramways system subsequent to... on the Ballarat Tramways system subsequent to horse-drawn trams." Lists...Ballarat Tramway Museum South Gardens Reserve Wendouree ...Demonstrates the preparation of tramcar history and specifications to go with a photographic report.List - typed foolscap sheet titled SECV/Ballarat Branch ""To accompany photographic record of types of cars that have operated on the Ballarat Tramways system subsequent to horse-drawn trams." Lists car number, purchase date, truck type, body builder, seating capacity, HP and Make, Weight, miles in service in Ballarat, Truck builder and type and remarks. Lists cars 17, 19, 21, 22, 23, 26, 29, 30, 36, 40, old car 21, 23, 18 and 2. Not a complete list or of the cars in service.. Produced c1953?, as lists ex Adelaide 23 being retired in 1953 and for photograph captions. ballarat, tramcars, lists, secv, motors