Wal Jack had an extensive range of correspondents throughout Australia and the world who often prepared extensive notes and records for him. This letter from Wal Larsen of Bright, dated 16 Aug 1945 describes a trip to Tenterfield, notes on crews, their hats, station layouts and detailed map. With the letter is a plan of the station layouts of the West Tamworth to Barraba line dated 6-10-45. Demonstrates some of the correspondence that Wal Jack received from around the world and that of Wal Larsen.Letter - handwritten with ink on a set of four ruled Salvation Army - Australian Comfort Fund and YMCA printed sheets and a drawing on a foolscap sheet on the rear of Australian Military Forces for - "Return on Members of the Permanent forces entitled to Medical Attendance"letters, wal jack, railways, nsw, wal larsen, tenterfield, barraba, west tamworth, nswgr

Wal Jack had an extensive range of correspondents throughout Australia and the world who often prepared extensive notes and records for him. This letter from Carl Hewett of Lubbock Texas, USA, dated 15/2/1956 discusses railroad operations in the USA, stations and general railroad matters.Demonstrates some of the correspondence that Wal Jack received from around the world and that of Carl HewittLetter on light blue pre-printed Air letter of Aerogramme - light weight paper, postage prepaid with an image of a aeroplane in the stamp area.letters, wal jack, air mail, aerogrammes, carl hewitt, usa

Wal Jack swapped photographs with his correspondents. This photo by Keith Kings, a railway photograph of QGR locomotive 748 crossing the complex arrangements of tracks at Woolloongabba - three tram tracks, one trolley bus route. The photographer noted that trains could block all tram lines at times. Trains were always proceeded by a man carrying a red flag and ringing a bell. Has the tramway signal box in the background and a large Penfolds Wines advert on a building, a Caltex service station and an advert for Plume petrol.Demonstrates a photograph that would have been sent to Wal Jack by Keith Kings.Black and white photograph of QGR locomotive 748Has extensive details of the photograph on the rear. Keith Kings photo number E(k)(vii)letter, wal jack, keith kings, qgr, railways, woolloongabba

Print of drawing number VB4/7184C "Diagrammatic Arrangement of Feeders and Trolley Wire", marked up in colour showing the various feeder and trolley wire arrangements for the central part of Ballarat and the Gardens line. Shows the detailed switch locations that enable the overhead to be isolated or changed when electrical work was being undertaken on the overhead that required it to be isolated. Shows how the various sections were fed from the power station. Revision C issued 2-9-1958.Yields information about the arrangement of the power supply to the trams from the power station and changes made to the system about 13 years prior to closure. Dyeline print on white paper of Drawing - "Diagrammatic Arrangement of Feeders and Trolley Wire" - VB4/7184Ctramways, ballarat, secv, trolley wire, feeder cables, overhead, power station, electrical engineering, electrical switching

Report looked into the future of the Yallourn Township. Has a brief history of the location, the SEC power generation and its relationship the history of Vitoria. Lists the parliamentary inquiry board members, the witnesses, a table of the community organisations based at Yallourn township, coal reserves and costs. The Parliamentary Committee recommended that the SEC proposal be followed, that is close the township and mine the coal reserves that were under the township. Dated May 1971.Yallourn and other mines provided the brown coal for Ballarat B Power station and power Ballarat's tramways.Foolscap report - 6 sheets + 3 folded sheets, stapled on the left hand side and bound with black tape.Has the markings of the State Transport Library.yallourn, secv, brown coal, power supply, power engineering

Book - 48 pages + 2 fold out maps + cover, card cover, bound, giving details of history of Glasgow tramways, power stations, substations, workshops, bus stations, training and underground railway. Commences at p41 - 92, could have been part of a larger document. Record reviewed and scanned images of cover added 5/9/13. trams, tramways, glasgow, uk, tramway, bus, underground

Light card or Heavy paper. Colour map showing location of Sydney stations and entrances and where the trains ran. Issued as No.1. Title "Railway Map of Sydney Suburban and Underground" - 1939. Handle with care - both copies.trams, tramways, sydney, railway map, suburban and underground, trams

Yields information about Ballarat and its locations or environs late 1938.Pages 11,12, 19 and 20 of the centenary of settlement in the Ballarat district by the Ballarat Courier - March 1938. See also items 186, 198 and 199. Page 11 Royal visits, banking in Ballarat, photos - NW section of Ballarat, railway station in foreground. Ads for J.McKay and Son, Roy Reeds (Men's store) and Ballarat Gas Co. Also photo of "The Corner" in Sturt St. - old Mining Exchange. Page 12 - full page ad for Morseheads, women's store. Page 19 - articles - Ballarat Lighting and Power, ESCo, SEC, electric trams. photos of the Arch of Victory, first electric tram, Lake Wendouree. Advertisements for Austin Spears (cycles), McDougall and Chisholm (drapers), W.E. Longhurst (bread) and the ES&A bank. Also article on South St. Society - music and elocution. Page 20 - articles - Ballarat Gas Co., horse and electric trams, agriculture in district and Ballarat's war record (WWI). Photos of work at Gong Gong Reservoir and Committeemen of the Ballarat Horticultural Society - 1859 to 1885. Ads for Ballarat College, Clarendon, Queens (girls) and Ballarat Grammar schools, Ern Craig Motors (Vauxhall) and Snows men's wear. Record reviewed and images of pages added 7-9-2013 and 10-9-2013trams, tramways, ballarat electricity, centenary, banking, transport, trams, esco

Photocopies of original newspaper clippings from the Ballarat Courier. Originals of cuttings held - see notes below. 278.1 - "Tram makes farewell trip" - photo of No. 43, near dusk on Mt. Pleasant route, fire station in background. - Sunday Sept. 5, 1971. - Courier Monday 6/9/1971 - A4 sheet. - (See Reg. Item 2907 for actual copy of cutting) 278.2. - "Last Journey for 39" - report on tram 39 last trip to Mt. Pleasant by Judy Graham - page 1 of Courier, 6/9/1971 - A4 sheet. - See Reg. Item 2908.1 for actual copy of cutting and 2908.2 for 2nd part on page 2. 278.3 - "Tram Change Uneventful" - report in the Courier of 24/8/1971, day after buses started on Victoria Street and photo of overhead dismantling (A4 sheet). - See Reg Item 1065 for actual copy of the cutting. 278.4. - "Many will miss tram" - report in Courier, Monday 23/8/1971 - following closure of Victoria St. route on 232/8/1971. Photo of No. 31 at Victoria St. (A3 sheet). (See Reg Item 1068 for actual copy of cutting). 278.5 - "Pieces of Tram History" - item in Courier of Wed. 22/9/1971 of tramway Supt. Mr. Denmead, handing over tokens and sample tickets to City of Ballarat - 2 photos - A3 sheet. - (See Reg Item 1846 for actual copy of cutting). Record updated 11/9/2013 for actual cuttings held. See Page 57 of KS Kings, "Ballarat Tramways"trams, tramways, ballarat, secv, closure

Black & white photograph of M&MTB T class 178 in Glenhuntly Road Elsternwick Railway station, 23-2-1942. Tram modified as a 1 man tram. Has shops in background. Tram possibly fitted with war time blackout mask. See Inscriptions for further details. Reimaged 17/7/2017 both front and back.On rear in ink, 'T308, M&MTB 'T' class No. 178 rebuilt as one man car. Glenhuntly Road Elsternwick (near Rly stn.) 23-2-42. Ex Melb. Brunswick & Coburg Tramways' car. W.Jack Photo.'trams, tramways, mmtb, t class, mbctt, elsternwick , tram 178

334.1 - Kookaburra Series No. 25 postcard, vertical format, view of the Swanston St entrance to Flinders St. Railway station with five sets of cable trams with horse drawn vehicles and many people. Photo is formally printed using a screen. Title 'Main Entrance, Flinders St. Rly Station Melbourne' along base. On rear in landscape format is areas for address, card number, a kookaburra symbol and saying, publisher notes and areas for address and correspondence. Off white card. c 1910. 334.2 - Photograph as a postcard of the Swanston St. entrance of Flinders St. Railway station from ground level with horse drawn vehicles and pedestrians in view. No motor cars in view or cable cars. c1910. On base in white ink (faded) handwriting 'Railway Station Melbourne'. On rear is name of object and areas for Address and Correspondence and '29'. trams, tramways, melbourne, flinders st. station, cable trams

Ballarat, SEC tram No. 32 in Ripon Street passing powerhouse, with chimney. Taken at intersection of Ripon and Wendouree Parade. Tram in SEC colours with large triangles as markings.'SEC Ballarat, No. 32 in Ripon St., View Point Line, 13.1.1960, W.Jack Photo' in blue ink on slidetramways, trams, view point, power station, ripon st, ballarat a power station, tram 32

Ballarat No. 31 covered on below windows with posters for Morton's Circus, ads for 'To-Nite'. Has Castrol and footrest shoes? roof ads. Tram travelling down Lydiard St, towards station, just left Seymour St. loop, following another bogie car. Both trams have dash canopy lights with small white strip. No. 31 showing 'SPECIAL' on destination.SEC Ballarat No. 31 with Morton's Circus Posters, Lydiard St. North, 5/1/62' in blue inktramways, trams, ballarat, morton's circus, lydiard st., seymour st. loop, tram 31

Bendigo Charing Cross, looking east towards railway station, with SEC No. 7 about to depart for Eaglehawk. A Birney tram in background heading for Quarry Hill. Photo shows 'Ezywalkin' and 'Fountain Plaza' buildings, has large white with black lettering road signs on left. On centre pole in front of tram is smaller road direction signs (yellow with black letters) for Echuca, Heathcote and Melbourne. Tram has dash canopy lights, early 1960's.niltramways, trams, bendigo, charing cross, quarry hill, eaglehawk, tram 7

Bendigo trams, 18, 26, 29, 11 in Bridge St. Loop, with 5 in Nolan St waiting for a Bendigo tram? on 20-10-1962 as part of an ARHS tour to Bendigo. Note white convoy marker on front tram, Tram 18 showing 'RLY Station' destination. Tram 18 has 'Kohn Drinks' ad on front panel. Photo by Keith Kings.Stamped 'K.S.KIngs etc', and in blue ink 'K(k)(384), 1/250, f5.6, 20/10/62, ARHS, Convoy 'A' 5,11,29,26,18 on Bridge St.. Loop, Bendigo'tramways, trams, bendigo, north bendigo, bridge st loop, arhs, tram 18, tram 26, tram 29, tram 11, tram 5

The Melbourne and Metropolitan Board of Works (MMBW) plans were produced from the 1890s to the 1950s. They were crucial to the design and development of Melbourne's sewerage and drainage system. This plan forms part of a large group of MMBW plans and maps that was donated to the Society by the Mr Poulter, City Engineer of the City of Kew in 1989. Within this collection, thirty-five hand-coloured plans, backed with linen, are of statewide significance as they include annotations that provide details of construction materials used in buildings in the first decade of the 20th century as well as additional information about land ownership and usage. The copies in the Public Record Office Victoria and the State Library of Victoria are monochrome versions which do not denote building materials so that the maps in this collection are invaluable and unique tools for researchers and heritage consultants. A number of the plans are not held in the collection of the State Library of Victoria so they have the additional attribute of rarity.Digital copy of an original MMBW plan. This contour plan shows the area identified by the MMBW for purposes of drainage and sewerage in 1894. The suburbs represented extend from Williamstown in the west to Bulleen in the east, and from Preston in the north, south to Sandringham. Suburbs are outlined in coloured ink. Red lines indicate main and branch sewers in existence at the beginning of 1894 in central and inner Melbourne. These extended as far as Williamstown and Brighton, but not yet as far as Kew, where sewering did not commence until 1901. Contour lines show the topography, which was important for indicating the fall of the land for the laying of sewers and drainage channels. Kew appears to be fairly undeveloped at this date except for railway lines and stations (the Kew and Outer Circle lines), main roads, the Kew Lunatic Asylum Reserve and Studley Park. However, the contour plan does not accurately represent the density of settlement, nor the large number of houses, which were being built in Kew and other suburbs from the 1850s to the land boom of the late 1880’s and early 1890’s. This plan is part of a large and historically significant group of MMBW plans and maps that was donated to the Society by the Mr Poulter, City Engineer of the City of Kew in 1989.mmbw contour plan of melbourne and suburbs, melbourne and metropolitan board of works, melbourne sewage, cartography

One of three scrapbooks of photographs and newspaper cuttings taken and or collected by Eva Grant, a past member of the Kew Historical Society, which were donated by her niece, Julie Thomson. The albums include many photographs of Kew from the 1950s to the 1970s. Buildings included in the scrapbook include: Billy Hughes' house - 167 Cotham Road Congregational Church - Walpole Street (c.1978) Country Roads Board - Denmark Street (1960) Dorothy Rogers Reserve - Studley Park Road Ellsmere (also Ellesmere/Ellsmore) - Princess Street Field Place - 3 Henty Court Fernhurst - 13 Fernhurst Grove Kew Civic Centre (1959) Kew Junction (1958) Kew Railway Station (1902, 1959) Kew Recreation Hall - Wellington Street (1960) Neama (Hall) - Studley Park Road Southesk (formerly Ordsall) - Cotham Road (c.1960) St Anthony's Home for Babies (formerly Madford) - 43 Wellington Street (c.1976) Studley House - Nolan AvenueThe scrapbook contains historically significant, rare and sometimes unique images of significant heritage buildings in Kew, including their erection and demolition. 11-page scrapbook of photographs and newspaper clippings with annotations by Eva Grant, a past member of the Kew Historical Society. The pages of the album can be viewed in the image carousel above. Based on the text and known dates of demolition of a number of the buildings, the scrapbook was assembled over a twenty year period between c.1958-c.1978.Includes letter from donoreva grant, billy hughes' house - 167 cotham road, congregational church - walpole street - kew, country roads board - denmark street - kew, dorothy rogers reserve - studley park road - kew, field place - 3 henty court - kew (vic), ellsmere (also ellesmere/ellsmore) - princess street - kew, fernhurst - 13 fernhurst grove - kew (vic), kew civic centre - civic drive - kew (vic), kew junction - kew (vic), kew railway station - denmark street - kew (vic), recreation hall - wellington street - kew, neama - hall - studley park road - kew (vic), southesk - ordsall - cotham road- kew (vic), st anthony's home for babies - madford - 43 wellington street (vic), studley house - nolan avenue - kew (vic)

Prue Sanderson, in her groundbreaking ‘City of Kew Urban Conservation Study : Volume 2 - Development History’ (1988), summarised the periods of urban development and subdivisions of land in Kew. The periods that she identified included 1845-1880, 1880-1893, 1893-1921, 1921-1933, 1933-1943, and Post-War Development. These periods were selected as they represented periods of rapid growth or decline in urban development. An obvious starting point for Sanderson’s groupings involved population growth and the associated economic cycles. These cycles also highlighted urban expansion onto land that was predominantly rural, although in other cases it represented the decline and breakup of large estates. A number of the plans in the Kew Historical Society’s collection can also be found in other collections, such as those of the State Library of Victoria and the Boroondara Library Service. A number are however unique to the collection.Subdivision plans are historically important documents used as evidence of the growth of suburbs in Australia. They frequently provide information about when the land was sold on which a built structure was subsequently constructed as well as evidence relating to surveyors and real estate and financial agents. The numerous subdivision plans in the Kew Historical Society's collection represent working documents, ranging from the initial sketches made in planning a subdivision to printed plans on which auctioneers or agents listed the prices for which individual lots were sold. In a number of cases, the reverse of a subdivision plan in the collection includes a photograph of a house that was also for sale by the agent. These photographs provide significant heritage information relating house design and decoration, fencing and household gardens.In 1928, five residential allotments bordering Segtoune and Windsor Streets were advertised for sale as part of a subdivision. Four of the blocks faced Segtoune Avenue. The auctioneers proclaimed the advantages of the sites: ‘Situate one minute from the High Street Electric Tram, which now runs direct to Spencer Street via Bridge Road and Flinders Street. Opposite the East Kew Railway Station (Outer Circle Line), which may be reopened In connection with the new Line from Kew to Doncaster; Adjacent lo the Kew Recreation Reserve, Sports Oval, and Swimming Bath; Half Minute from the Shopping Centre of East Kew, Accessible to the State School and Other Educational Centres’. The Harp of Erin Hotel and the route of the Outer Circle Railway line are marked on the plan. The Recreation Reserve and Sport Oval refer to Victoria Park. The Swimming Baths were located on the site of the current Kew Recreation Centre.subdivision plans - kew, segtoune street -- kew (vic.), windsor street -- kew (vic.)

This is an aerial oblique image looking north. It shows Kew Junction before construction of VicRoads (Country Roads Board), Murphy's (Leo's) supermarket, and office towers. It also shows a building on the land now known as the Raoul Wallenberg Reserve, the Kew Municipal Offices in Walpole Street, and St Paul's School for the Blind in Fernhurst Grove, and Kew Bowling Club in Wellington Street.An aerial photograph of Kew Junction, showing the intersection of High Street South, Studley Park Road, Princess Street, High Street and Denmark Street. A number of buildings, now demolished can be identified in the photo, including Jellis’ Bakeries on the corner of Princess Street and Studley Park Road." Annotation on reverse: "Kew Historical Society from Mr L. H. Chinner".kew junction, aerial photograph (kew), oblique aerial, st paul's school for the blind, kew municipal offices, high street kew, studley park road, kew war memorial, kew post office, kew police station, kew court house, high street south, kew, wellington street kew, denmark street kew

The borders of the main components of Kew and Kew East have not always conformed to current boundaries. In the past this photograph has been labelled as East Kew, whereas for most of the twentieth century the site has been within Kew's borders. The purpose of the photograph is unrecorded yet it has value in that it shows those businesses who occupied this site in Kew during the early 1960s.This small photograph is significant as it shows the location of and building used by WD Vaughan, former Mayor of Kew who was a successful newspaper proprietor in Melbourne.Small polaroid colour positive of High Street in Kew, probably in the 1960s. From left we can see the brick viaduct covering the tracks of what was once the Outer Circle Railway. Behind this brick wall, Dunnings Timber Yard was situated. At the end of the walls of the viaduct there is an entrance to a walkway [now the Anniversary Trail], which once provided access to Windsor Avenue, and also to the East Kew Station (now demolished and part of the Outer Circle Railway Reserve). On the other side of this walkway is a cream brick building (demolished) occupied at this time by WD Vaughan Pty Ltd, printer and publisher of the Kew Advertiser (newspaper). Stretching behind the brick facade is an extensive building that must have housed the printing works. Beside Vaughan's, there is a large building (demolished) housing at that time an estate agent named AJ Kennedy. This area is now separated by kerbing.High St East Kew / Corner of Harp Rd. / Looking South

The Engineer's Department of the former City of Kew had an extensive collection of photograph of sites in Kew requiring documentation to inform public works. It also kept images of engineering practice in other parts of Melbourne, and overseas, that could be used as models for local activity. Many of these photographs (and plans) were donated to our collection in the 1980s. A number of the photographs are annotated, either on the image itself or on the reverse.This photograph, and others sourced from the City Engineer's Department of the former City of Kew, qualifies as an important record of local streets, public works, street beautification, and engineering techniques of the period. Original black and white photographic positive of automobiles and buildings in Denmark Street, Kew, immediately before the road enters Kew Junction. On the left is McKeon Motors and a retailer of Insulwool, while in the distance is the pharmacy on the corner of High Street and Princess Street (later demolished during the widening of Kew Junction). Notable are the bluestone guttering and what appears to be vacant land on the apex of the triangle of land bounded by High Street South, Denmark Street and Barkers Road. This site was the original location of O'Shaughnessy's 'Kew Hotel', and after the destruction by fire of the latter, the location of a service station. [It is now the site of the Cresco Reserve].Annotation verso: "Indicating the existence of a vehicular entrance at Denmark St abuttal of No.188 High St prior to reconstruction of channeling &c 1972."denmark street -- kew (vic.), kew junction, luestone gutters, mckeon motors, insulwool

The man photograph in a garden is Joseph David Starkie, who was a Bulla Shire councillor for more than twenty years and during that time he was elected Shire President four times. He was also a member of the Sunbury Waterworks Trust and served as the chairman from 1905 - 1908. While serving on the water board he was instrumental in Sunbury gaining a permanent water supply. A drinking fountain has been erected on a reserve at the Village Green to honour the arrival of the permanent water supply to the town. The installation of a permanent water supply benefitted the town and contributed to a more reliable rail service as steam trains refilled their tanks with water at Sunbury Station. Prior to this the water was transported by horse and cart from nearby Jacksons Creek.A sepia photograph of a well-dressed man who is holding a book and is standing in a front garden of a weatherboard house.starkie, joseph daniel.

A pictorial history of Surrey Hills based on information collected and based at the Surrey Hills Neighbourhood Centre. It includes early rural properties and diaries, the coming of the railway, land sub-division and early homes, schools, parks and recreation.A pictorial history of Surrey Hills based on information collected and based at the Surrey Hills Neighbourhood Centre. It includes early rural properties and diaries, the coming of the railway, land sub-division and early homes, schools, parks and recreation.surrey hills, railways, land use, migrants, spanish communities, transport, houses, wattle park, festivals and celebrations, churches, education, water supply, fire stations, hospitals, (mr) george klepper, ainger family, (mr) john woodhead, (mr) h. breedon, medical services, real estate agents, businesses, musical events and activities, entertainment, parks and reserves, scouts, guides

A pictorial history of Surrey Hills and Mont Albert based on information collected by the history group at the Surrey Hills Neighbourhood Centre. It includes information about early rural properties and dairies, the coming of the railway, land sub-division and early homes, doctors, schools, churches, parks and recreation facilities.A pictorial history of Surrey Hills based on information collected and based at the Surrey Hills Neighbourhood Centre. It includes early rural properties and diaries, the coming of the railway, land sub-division and early homes, schools, parks and recreation.1992surrey hills, railways, land use, migrants, spanish communities, transport, houses, wattle park, festivals and celebrations, churches, education, water supply, fire stations, hospitals, (mr) george klepper, ainger family, (mr) john woodhead, (mr) h. breedon, medical services, real estate agents, businesses, musical events and activities, entertainment, parks and reserves, scouts, guides

Correspondence between Mrs T. R. Mannix, Swan Hill Wolf Cub Pack master to District Scout Commissioner Mr J. I. Samson for an invitation to be included with the local scout groups in functions to welcome Queen Elizabeth and the Duke of Edinburgh to Bendigo on Friday, the 5th of March 1954. The response from the Commissioner included typed plans of the event and maps of the royal tour through the streets of Bendigo starting and finishing at the train station.Set of correspondence including typed gatefold letter, typed plans for placement of visitors and role of the military and maps of CBD Bendigo and of Upper Reserve.queen elizabeth, duke of edinburgh, boy scout association, mayor clayton, city of greater bendigo royal visits, city of greater bendigo community groups, city of greater bendigo tourism

Each of the five telephones is attached to a timber, wall‐mounted box. They are original to the precinct buildings and date from the early twentieth century. Located in the lighthouse lantern room, the former head keeper’s quarters, the former assistants’ quarters, and the buildings known today as the generator shed and the café, they formed an intercom system that facilitated communication between the lightstation buildings.Wall‐mounted Bakelite telephones with crank handles can be found at all six light stations, however Gabo Island has the only other example of a timber‐mounted phone. Its design is slightly different for incorporating an inclined surface for jotting down notes. As fixtures, the telephones are considered to be part of the building fabric and included in the Victorian Heritage Register listing for the Cape Nelson Lightstation (H1773; 18 February 1999). They are historically significant for their historical and technical values as part of the early communications system used at the lightstation.Five similar intercom system telephones. All are wall mounted timber boxes with Bakelite black hand sets and black cords. The five phones each have two bells at the top of the box and a crank handle at the side. Three phones have brass bells, two have black metal bells. All phones have instructions on the front either in a frame or glued to the timber."C of A" and "PMG" Written instructions on how to use the phones are printed on paper fixed to the front of the telephones. "TO CALL ....../ TO ANSWER...../ WHEN FINISHED....."

The flags were used for communicating messages to passing ships. Knowledge of visual signaling was mandatory for all lightkeepers and all stations maintained a set of these flags. Although used for centuries, visual flag signaling formally developed in the nineteenth century and was published internationally as a system in 1857. By the early twentieth century it had developed into an effective means of conveying all kinds of short range visual messages.The Cape Nelson Lightstation is architecturally and scientifically (technologically) important as the most intact complex of lightstation buildings in Victoria. The octagonal signal station is a unique feature which is all the more important for its complete set of signal flags’. Cape Nelson Lightstation’s complete set of 41 alphabetic and numeric visual signaling flags (including substitute and answering pennants) are made of bunting, a coarse fabric of worsted (open yarn wool) in various colour combinations, and some of the fabric is hand sewn and bears inscriptions. Attachments include handmade wooden toggles, brass clips and hemp rope.

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