Series consists of23 B&W negatives depicting activities at the North Riding Living and Learning Centre on a day devoted to tree planting. Includes numerous indoor shots, and outdoor shots of shrub planting in the grounds.shire of eltham archives, series listing

L to R: Jim Connor, Councillor, Shire of Eltham; Bill Forward, MLC; Mandy Press, Manager Community Services, Shire of Eltham; Lorna Smith, Manager, Living and Learning Centres, Eltham and Panton HillColour photographeltham, eltham living and learning centre, living and learning centre, bill forward, community services, community centre, legislative assembly, lorna smith, mandy press, panton hill, pavilion, jim connor

Shire of Eltham Living and Learning Centre is located at 739 Main Road, Eltham. The purpose of the Centre is: To provide an opportunity to come together individually and in groups in an atmosphere of equality, sharing their skills and experiences in order to improve the quality of their living. Tutors are not paid and fees are not charges on the understanding that the idea of sharing and co-operating spreads and everyone enjoys the results. This book was compiled by volunteers involved at the centre recording feelings, views of their experiences within the groups at the centre. It includes recipes, poems, stories and sketches, some of local scenes. It also includes an early history of the Centre compiled by the first Co-ordinator. Subjects include enrolment day, bee keeping, Bridge Club,Carpentry and woodcarving, looking and sharing, creative dancing, crochet, dressmaking, film making, Friends of the Creek, Diamond Creek, accessibility, hair cutting, herb gardening, home handyman skills, homestead cooking, living with goats, native plants, North Riding Project, gardening, painting, playhouse, play reading, puppetry, sculpture, spinning, weaving, winemaking and yoga. This book is significant in documenting the early history of the Eltham Living and Learning centre including the concepts of community co-operation and life-long learning for adults. It connects the current users of the Centre and the wider community with this local history which is part of the character represented in the twentieth century history of the Eltham area. Softcover [64] p.eltham living and learning centre, co-operative, education

Contents: 1. Hand drawn schematic record of site buildings as of 1975 compiled by Harry Gilham, Shire of Eltham Historical Society 2. History compiled on the ocassion of the Eltham Living and Learning Centre's 21st birthday in 1996. Includes historical notes about the property, origins of the Living and Learning Centre at Eltham which started in 1975. List of associate groups, friends of the creek, friends of the centre, playhouse, list of co-ordinators 3. Enrolment Day Cake recipe 4. Poem - "Who'd be a co-ordinator" by unknown 5. Traditions and Memories by Margaret Johnson, Program Co-ordinator for 10 years 6. Reminiscences by Linda Kirkwright, Admin Assistant 7. In the beginning there was a small cottage ... by Joanne Osborne, Assistant Co-ordinator 1977-1980 8. Newsclippings - Living and Learning Centre in Council Centre, Diamond Valley New, 2 Apr 1975; 'Rub-A-Dub" unknown publication; and miscellaneous advertisements 9. Copy of certifcate of title when transferred to the Shire of Eltham in 1975 10. Copy of 1992 Shire of Eltham Heritage Study, pages 930-936 with notations 48 A4 pages photocopies HG Booklets 22 and 47, 64eltham living and learning centre, enrolment day cake, harry gilham collection, heritage study, history, joanne osborne, linda kirkwright, margaret johnson, poem, recipe, reminiscences, who'd be a co-ordinator

“Living in Australia”, published in 1970, was a collaborative project by architect Robin Boyd and photographer Mark Strizic. It was the first book which documented the architecture and personal design ideas of Robin Boyd. Strizic contributed not just the majority of the black and white photographs but also the book’s stylish graphic designHardcover with three-quarter cover sleeveRBF Acquisition. Possible Proof Copy.robin boyd, architecture, domestic - australia, marc strizic, architecture - australia, walsh st library

“Living in Australia”, published in 1970, was a collaborative project by architect Robin Boyd and photographer Mark Strizic. It was the first book which documented the architecture and personal design ideas of Robin Boyd. Strizic contributed not just the majority of the black and white photographs but also the book’s stylish graphic designHardcover with Dust JacketRBF Acquisition. Abebooks invoices and bookseller documents within. Discoloured spine.robin boyd, architecture, domestic - australia, marc strizic, architecture - australia, walsh st library

“Living in Australia”, published in 1970, was a collaborative project by architect Robin Boyd and photographer Mark Strizic. It was the first book which documented the architecture and personal design ideas of Robin Boyd. Strizic contributed not just the majority of the black and white photographs but also the book’s stylish graphic designHardcover with Dust JacketRBF Acquisition.robin boyd, architecture, domestic - australia, marc strizic, architecture - australia, walsh st library

Sweeney's, originally Culla Hill, a former homestead, located on a site bought from the crown in 1842 by Irishman Thomas Sweeney. The cottage is important in the history of Eltham and of architectural interest as an example of a Colonial Style dwelling. The Living room shows a wooden door and floor with rug. A window to the left, two seats and a book case. This was the home of V.C. Burston.This photo forms part of a collection of photographs gathered by the Shire of Eltham for their centenary project book, "Pioneers and Painters: 100 years of the Shire of Eltham" by Alan Marshall (1971). The collection of over 500 images is held in partnership between Eltham District Historical Society and Yarra Plenty Regional Library (Eltham Library) and is now formally known as 'The Shire of Eltham Pioneers Photograph Collection.' It is significant in being the first community sourced collection representing the places and people of the Shire's first one hundred years.Digital imagesepp, shire of eltham pioneers photograph collection, eltham, sweeney's cottage, v.c. burston

One of a set of display images thought to be produced by the Shire of Eltham c.1979-1987. Women and children are gathered in small courtyard area, backing on to a bush area, around a small open fireplace with bricks and a grate, with a small fire burning. The grates hold large containers with steam steam rising out of them. BBQ Gathering at either Eltham or Panton Hill Living and Learning Centre.Illustrative of services provided by former Shire of ElthamColour photograph 20 x 29 cm mounted on green-painted chipboard 28 x 35.5 cm (string on back for hanging)Title printed on label adhered to board below photograph (replaced June 2017)bbq, living and learning centre, cooking

Printed on textured paper which has suffered significant colour degradation towards orange/red. Margaret Ball (who took the photograph) has written "Auntie Millie's old house" on the back. Before becoming the Eltham Living and Learning Centre, the house was occupied by Claire Fitzpatrick, and before then by Mr and Mrs Matthews with their daughter Millicent and their two sons. "Auntie" Millie was not actually related to Margaret, but was her godmother. Colour photographeltham, community centres, living and learning centre, 1976, margaret ball

This cottage-like dwelling has changed ownership several times since it was first built in the 1850s by local tanner John Pearson. The Living and Learning Centre as we know it today is the product of the energetic, reforming era of the Whitlam Government. Set up by the local council in 1974. Unedited amateur video (filmed by Vivienne?) with some voiceover and chatting with others. Significant VHS tape noise/flicker and colour pulsing. Opens with Living & Learning Centre sign on Main Road and “Open Day Here Today” attached to it. Views of entrance into carpark, dog obedience class demonstration near entrance, leadlight construction display in workshop, basket weaving, face painting, exterior garden landscape with herb garden, brick pottery shed, peppercorn tree, children’s activities, interior views showing artworks of life drawings, general engagement with other people (audio), candle room, pottery, children’s entertainer in garden, wool spinning, some attempts at engagement with Claire Fitzpatrick, Thai Chi demonstration, floral presentations, patchwork, needlepoint, knitting, some interior scenes very dark, weaving, cane basket weaving.VHS Video cassette (poor quality) Converted to MP4 file format 00:31:39; 746MBeltham living and learning centre, open day, dog obedience class, leadlight, basket weaving, face painting, artworks, life drawing, candle room, pottery, wool spinning, claire fitzpatrick, thai chi, patchwork, needlepoint, knitting, weaving, cane basket weaving, main road, eltham, video recording

Memoir of living and working on the Maroondah Aqueduct by former Melbourne and Metropolitan Board of Works Caretaker of Yarra Glen Lower length. The book is presented in three parts, firstly a brief explanation is given of the development of Melbourne's water supply system. Secondly the author tells in his own words his family connection with the Yarra Glen District and his work with the MBBW ca 1944-1979. The third part of the book is a tour from the Yarra Glen Lower length as it was in 2002 noting changes since Fred began working for the MMBW.iii, 34 leaves : col. ill., maps (some col.) ; 30 cm. Edited (with introduction and additional notes) by Leigh Ahern ; photographs by Gwen Sadlier and Leigh Ahern.maroondah aqueduct, water supply, yarra glen, reminscences, melbourne metropolitan board of works

Black timber framed leather tan carving.In the middle there is the insignia of the Australian Vietnam Forces 1962 - 1973. Above the insignia in black writing reads Honour The Dead. Under the insignia reads but fight Like Hell for The LivingHonour the Dead But Fight Like Hell For The Livingleather plaque, australian vietnam forces

Colour photographeltham, eltham living and learning centre, living and learning centre, pavilion, harry gilham, shire of eltham

Discusses what is a neighbourhood and how is it "broken-down" for town-planning and building regulation purposes. Discusses types of dwellings, infrastructure, zone barriers, isolation of residential zones, services etc.Original manuscript of ideas for the chapter titled 'The Neighbourhood' (pp. 32-43) by Robin Boyd in the book "Living and Partly Living", by Ian McKay, Robin Boyd, Hugh Stretton and John Mant, published by Nelson, Sydney 1971.Typewritten (c copy), pencil edits, foolscap, 2 pagesneighbourhood, suburbia, neighbourhood, dwelling types, residential zones services, robin boyd, manuscript

McKay discusses in first two documents questions about what is a house and what do residents want from a city at large. In the last he discusses national housing policy and how it has evolved since 1944.Original manuscript of an ideas for other chapters (written by Ian McKay, Hugh Stretton and John Mant) in "Living and Partly Living", Nelson, Sydney 1971. In the book, Ian McKay authored "The House", Hugh Stretton authored "The City" and John Mant authored "National Housing Policy".Typewritten Typewritten (p’ copy) Typewritten (p’ copy), quarto, 1 page, 1 page, 3 pagesnational housing policy, commonwealth housing commission report 1944, commonwealth state housing agreement 1956, ian mckay, manuscript

Hardcover w/ Dust JacketThe Age review of the book 22 July 1972 (date in pen)australian housing, domestic architecture, architecture, 20th century, walsh st library

The Pavillion was an extension to the Eltham Living and Learning Centre which was opened 8 October, 1994 In 1857, tanner John Pearson purchased three and a half acres of land in Little Eltham, at the western end of Pitt Street, with a 70-foot frontage to Maria Street (Main Road) and stretching down to the Diamond Creek for £100. He contracted Benjamin Oliver Wallis to build house for him. Wallis, a mason by trade who originated from the Cornish village of Newlyn, migrated to Melbourne in 1853 and was shortly engaged by Richard Warren to build the Eltham Hotel, which opened in 1854. When Warren fell into financial difficulty in 1858, Wallis purchased the hotel. That same year, Pearson constructed a tannery below the house with access to the water in the Diamond Creek. When Pearson became bankrupt in 1867, Wallis similarly acquired the house from Pearson’s creditors in 1868 and lived there until his death in 1896. For some of this time the house was in the name of Wallis’s son Richard but following his death in 1888, ownership reverted to his father. It was purchased by retired teacher Richard Gilsenen in 1899. Gilsenen was made acting head teacher at the Eltham State School in 1906 following the sudden death of head teacher John Brown. In the 1950s the house was bought by retired engineer Dr Alfred Fitzpatrick and his wife Claire who made various modifications to house goats and poultry as well as structural modifications to the house. In the early 1970s, Eltham Shire Councillors Frank Maas and Don Maling proposed an extended communities’ activities program be set up and the Commonwealth Grants Commission was approached for financial assistance. In 1974 a $50,000 Commonwealth Grant was received by the Shire Council to acquire the Fitzpatrick property as part of the planning to establish an extended communities’ activities program. The Fitzpatricks moved next door and Claire taught at the new Living and Learning Centre, which began in 1975, one of the first community education centres in Victoria.jim connor collection, eltham, eltham living and learning centre, living and learning centre, pavilion

Grace Mitchell, a talented artist in later life and baker managed a pastry shop business near the corner of Mt Pleasant and Main Roads Eltham in the 1950’s. Shortly after her marriage to Arthur Mitchell in 1948 he had an accident that caused a head injury and was unable to work. Grace realised she needed to be home to care for her husband as well as earn an income. She managed the bureaucracy of council permits, made modifications to her home with savings to get the business off the ground without having to borrow money. Grace and Arthur were avid gardeners and would grow, wash and mince vegetables for pasties while Grace hand made and rolled the pastry. They cooked and minced their own meat for the pies and the fruit for the sweet pies came from their orchard at the rear of the property. She also baked scones and cakes. Grace operated her pastry shop for over 16 years. She supported the Shillinglaw Cottage Preservation Campaign to preserve the cottage through its Flavour of Eltham community cookbook published in 1964 and hosted cooking classes in the new Living and Learning Centre. Grace Mitchell passed away aged 95 years in 2011.Roll of 35mm colour negative film, 6 strips and associated colour print 10 x 15 cmFuji 100classes, eltham, living and learning centre, pottery class, eltham living and learning centre, grace mitchell, ursula dors, teaching, learning

Penleigh Boyd, Robin and Patricia Boyd's son, writes “Prior to 1950 Robin, like most other amateur or hobby photographers, took black and white printed photographs. The oldest slides date from 1950 when Robin and Patricia travelled to Europe on Robin’s Robert Haddon Travelling Scholarship.” In 1948 Robin Boyd was awarded ‘joint first place’ in the Robert Haddon competition for his design of Mildura art gallery. The scholarship helped fund their first overseas trip. Robin and Patricia were passengers on the Greek ship “Cyrenia” departing in May 1950, passing through the Suez Canal and landing in Genoa five weeks later. For six months, they travelled extensively throughout Europe (predominantly driving themselves) - France, Italy, United Kingdom, Sweden, Denmark, Germany, Austria, Switzerland and Spain.Colour slide in a mount. Living room of architect Bent Karlby's home in Ordrup, Copenhagen, Denmark. Note, Karlby's Peanut Pendant Lamp (1946) - centre top. (Architect: Bent Karlby .)Copenhagen / Ordrup / Karlby, arch / Own home - Living room / 1950 (Handwritten)haddon travelling scholarship, haddon, robin boyd, slide

In 1857, tanner John Pearson purchased three and a half acres of land in Little Eltham, at the western end of Pitt Street, with a 70-foot frontage to Maria Street (Main Road) and stretching down to the Diamond Creek for £100. He contracted Benjamin Oliver Wallis to build house for him. Wallis, a mason by trade who originated from the Cornish village of Newlyn, migrated to Melbourne in 1853 and was shortly engaged by Richard Warren to build the Eltham Hotel, which opened in 1854. When Warren fell into financial difficulty in 1858, Wallis purchased the hotel. That same year, Pearson constructed a tannery below the house with access to the water in the Diamond Creek. When Pearson became bankrupt in 1867, Wallis similarly acquired the house from Pearson’s creditors in 1868 and lived there until his death in 1896. For some of this time the house was in the name of Wallis’s son Richard but following his death in 1888, ownership reverted to his father. It was purchased by retired teacher Richard Gilsenen in 1899. Gilsenen was made acting head teacher at the Eltham State School in 1906 following the sudden death of head teacher John Brown. In the 1950s the house was bought by retired engineer Dr Alfred Fitzpatrick and his wife Claire who made various modifications to house goats and poultry as well as structural modifications to the house. In the early 1970s, Eltham Shire Councillors Frank Maas and Don Maling proposed an extended communities’ activities program be set up and the Commonwealth Grants Commission was approached for financial assistance. In 1974 a $50,000 Commonwealth Grant was received by the Shire Council to acquire the Fitzpatrick property as part of the planning to establish an extended communities’ activities program. The Fitzpatricks moved next door and Claire taught at the new Living and Learning Centre, which began in 1975, one of the first community education centres in Victoria. Covered under Heritage Overlay, Nillumbik Planning Scheme. Published: Nillumbik Now and Then /​ Marguerite Marshall 2008; photographs Alan King with Marguerite Marshall.; p59 It’s a centre for sharing knowledge and friendship and it stands on the former hub of Eltham’s original township near Pitt Street. The Eltham Living and Learning Centre, with around 2000 participants a year, began in 1975 as one of the first Community Education Centres in Victoria. Classes ranging from macramé to wine making to environmental living have enriched the lives of thousands of people through the generosity of tutors sharing their skills free of charge. The centre’s heart is the brick cottage, built in 1858 by tanner John Pearson. He bought the three and a half acre (1.4ha) allotment fronting Maria Street (now Main Road) and stretching down to the Diamond Creek. The allotment formed part of a 316 acre (127.8ha) subdivision, owned by Josiah Holloway, called Little Eltham, north of the original Eltham Reserve.1 The allotment then passed through the hands of several speculators before it was sold to Pearson for £100 in 1857. Mr Pearson’s children attended the Eltham Primary School from 1864 to 1867. But creditors took possession of the property when his tannery folded in 1867. It was then sold to publican Benjamin Wallis, who owned the Eltham Hotel at the corner of Pitt Street and Main Road. In 1899 the property was bought by Richard Gilsenan, who became acting head teacher of the Eltham Primary State School in 1906. In the 1950s, retired engineer Dr Alfred Fitzpatrick and his wife Claire bought the property, and made structural changes. Claire, a journalist and community campaigner, modified and built pens for goats and poultry, a stable, a garage and planted fruit trees and a vegetable garden. In the early 1970s a young woman called Carina Hack approached Gwen Wesson at the Diamond Valley Learning Centre (Victoria’s first Community Education Centre) about starting a community centre. Following Wesson’s suggestion, Hack spoke to Shire President Alistair Knox ‘one bleak rainy afternoon, sipping hot drinks and discussing life’.2 Eltham Shire Councillors Frank Maas and Don Maling proposed a community activities program and the council received a $50,000 Commonwealth Government Grant for this venture.3 The Fitzpatricks sold their property to the council and moved next door and Claire taught at the new centre, which Hack named. Eltham obviously wanted such a centre as Hack recalls. ‘During the next two months we had about 50 volunteers working day, night and weekends, scrubbing down, plastering and painting walls, replacing floors, repairing fences, recycling furniture, sewing curtains and cushions, donating furniture, toys, equipment, clean-ing and gardening…’4 The first enrolment day saw a queue stretching up the driveway nearly to the gate and the first sessions attracted 270 people a week. Soon the outbuildings were converted into pottery studios and a large workshop. From 1979 the Eltham Art and Craft Market was held in the centre’s grounds and the Friends of the Centre ran it from 1980. A former program coordinator, Margaret Johnson, remembers enrolment day in the late 1970s and 1980s, when hundreds of people would queue – and some even camped overnight! Overnighters were greeted in the morning with fresh tea and toast. Another tradition was The Enrolment Day Cake with Recipe, given to volunteers. ‘One happy Enrolment Day fell on February 14 and let’s just say that St Valentine found some willing participants, paying $2 for a kiss.’5 Meanwhile the participants’ children could play at the Council Eltham Lower Park house in Hohnes Road, later in Susan Street. But the centre has had difficulties too. In 1990 a fire destroyed the stable and the police suspected arson. However the pavilion was built in its place.This collection of almost 130 photos about places and people within the Shire of Nillumbik, an urban and rural municipality in Melbourne's north, contributes to an understanding of the history of the Shire. Published in 2008 immediately prior to the Black Saturday bushfires of February 7, 2009, it documents sites that were impacted, and in some cases destroyed by the fires. It includes photographs taken especially for the publication, creating a unique time capsule representing the Shire in the early 21st century. It remains the most recent comprehenesive publication devoted to the Shire's history connecting local residents to the past. nillumbik now and then (marshall-king) collection, benjamin oliver wallis, claire fitzpatrick, don maling, dr alfred fitzpatrick, eltham living and learning centre, frank maas, john pearson, richard gilsenen, tannery

Yields information through movie films of the 1960's of Ballarat trams operating in the streets of Ballarat and has a strong association with the maker - National Film and Sound Archives and Chris Long.Video cassette in a plastic case, titled "Living Ballarat - 1901 - 1941, National Film and Sound Archive (1990)". See Reg item 4519 for the DVD version. The DVD was made by Peter Winspur using this tape. Transferred to the Hard Drive 11/1/2010- AV Files - dB text/AV Files/Reg Item 4519/Video_TS (at 12/1/2010) Copyright provisions - National Film and Sound Archive - segments may not be used without their permission, viewing only. Synopsis: based on time - 0.00 - intro, 1901 film, Melbourne, first film in Ballarat, Royal visit to Ballarat, Boer War Monument, first feature length film in Ballarat. 2.50 - Bridge St and Sturt St scenes, filmed from a flat truck pushed by an electric tram, including No. 11 going to City Oval to Lydiard St. 5.00 - Sturt St Military parade, with trams in background and tram running alongside. 6.54 - scene of Alfred Hall and films. 7.32 - scene on Lake Wendouree and paddle steamer - Living Ballarat film - Pathe's Ballarat Gazette local film unit, football ground scene. a children's beauty competition, tree planting at Macarthur St state school, 1911 Ballarat Show, unveiling of the Boer War statue name plates, Lake Wendouree 1912. 13.22 - St Patricks David Pde with trams in the background. 14.24 - Ballarat Kennel club dog show. 15.50 - Royal visit in 1920, Arch of victory opening 17.48 - Day at Macarthur St state school and tree plantation 20.55 - Bakery Hill - Stones Corner with tram tracks, cars, little trams, Sturt St with a tram leaving Grenville St, ESCo 9 turning from Lydiard St to run down to Grenville St. 22.15 - Ballarat Show, Coliseum Hall, 1925, races, machinery shows, boxing troupe. 25.20 - Botanic Gardens Gates, Lake Wendouree area. 25.30 - Gem Picture travelling show - film 26.16 - Formal visit of English pressman to Ballarat, 1925, Botanic Gardens, Eureka Stockade, Avenue of Honor, Moorabool Reservoir. 29.15 - 1927 Fed Govt doco of Ballarat, Black Hill, 1927 Home to Ballarat Festival, Ballarat Commemorative song, Craigs Hotel, Ballarat Post Office, tram centre poles in Lydiard St, tram climbing Sturt St, Town Hall, tram at Lydiard St terminus coursing, 8, Sturt St, view of ESCo Sebastopol car leaving Grenville St, Selkirks Brickworks, the Welcome nugget, Peter Lalor statue, Eureka stockade, sewerage plant, modern housing, Sturt St west, water supply - golf club, the High School, the orphanage, fine homesteads around Ballarat, Lake Wendouree. 41.00 Opening of the Ballarat Aerodrome. 43.11 - Depression work and leading into radio broadcasting - 3BA open 1930, typewriters, radio transmission equipment, radio aerials, boys listening to crystal sets 47.50 - Bluebirds Children session tour to the Gardens, mentions the BTPS, trams 13, 3? and 14 carrying visitors arriving and getting off and picnic. 48.50 - expansion of 3BA transmitter capacity 51.30 - 1934 visit of the Duke of Gloucester - visit to the Lucas factory, views of the work floor and the factory history and then South St band competition at the Showgrounds. 55.10 - South St Music Festivals, Coliseum and fire. 56.25 - Ballarat Floral Festival March 1938 - Victorian Railways arch of welcome. 57.25 - segment in the shot of 12 and 19? in Sturt St 57.45 - colour segment of the festival, 58.39 - Grenville St tram shelter, Bridge St, Sturt St, arches, Main Road, Council Road Roller, Victoria St, Eureka Stockade Reserve, Botanic Gardens, setting up the flowers, wax papers. 1.01.48 - decorated tram, north side of Sturt St, details of the materials used, Crockers. 1.03.20 - Hospital Fund Raising Gala Day - March 1938, special trains arriving Ballarat Railway Station, fund raising procession, pageant at the Showgrounds, fly past. 1.07.35 - 1939 Summer, motor cycle races at Learmonth, City Oval fire brigade demonstrations, Ballarat (East) Fire Station decorated for the 1939 Floral Festival with tram in the background and No. 29, Floral Tram and others. 1.09.25 - July 1914 - Ballarat at War parade, troops. 1.10.10 - credits. Box has images of a tram and town hall on the front and details of the contents on the rear and who made it etc. See images for details. ballarat, 3ba, floral tram, royal visit, buildings, esco

Strathdon House and Orchard is to be redeveloped into a vibrant sustainable and healthy living precinct for the communityStrathdon House and Orchard is to be redeveloped into a vibrant sustainable and healthy living precinct for the communitystrathdon homestead, strathdon orchard

Concerns of residents living near the Eastern Freeway of Vicroad failure to meet noise control limits.Noise control limits complaints.freeways, eastern freeway, vicroads, watson, barry, marshall day carr, world health organisation, balfe, peter, roads and streets, city of whitehorse, city of manningham

Photographic record by Russ Haines, RDHS, in October 2008.