Framed hand written minutes of Minutes of Inaugural Women's Auxiliary Meeting held 8th of May 1951The original minutes of this meetingare shown being presented by the Foundation President to the Waverley RSL Memorabillia Officer Bob Leach. Joyce is being ably assisted by Foundation Secretary Joy Chivers and Foundation Treasurer Ellen Webster (left) and foundation Vice-President Rita Foot (right)

According to the paper label "Over 300 Legatees participated in the ANZAC Day march commemorating Legacy's 70th Anniversary." Photos show the Legatees assembling before the march, including Legatee Barbara Leach with a tray of Rosemary for the marchers to wear. The sign says "A gift from Legacy". The Legacy Widows club puts together the trays of rosemary prior to Anzac Day to give to the public. (See also 00754 and 00756). Plus an article in the Answer reporting on the day.A record of a Anzac Day march to commemorate the 70th Anniversary.Black and white photo of Anzac Day March 1993.Marked B15 which is the frame number from the B proof sheet (00754.2)70th anniversary, anzac day, answer, march, rosemary

According to the paper label "Over 300 Legatees participated in the ANZAC Day march commemorating Legacy's 70th Anniversary." Photos show the Legatees assembling before the march, including Legatee Barbara Leach with a tray of Rosemary for the marchers to wear. The sign says "A gift from Legacy". The Legacy Widows club puts together the trays of rosemary prior to Anzac Day to give to the public. (See also 00754 and 00756). Plus an article in the Answer reporting on the day.A record of a Anzac Day march to commemorate the 70th Anniversary.Black and white photo x 3 of Anzac Day March 1993.Marked B15, B17 and B14 which are the frame numbers from the B proof sheet (00754.2)70th anniversary, anzac day, answer, march, rosemary

Photograph shows 11 men in their cricket whites and one man in a suit with trophies in front of them. Titled "Camberwell Tramways A Shift Cricket Club", winners 1955-1956. Names - Back row - L White, W. Lee, S Scurrah,V Keane, W Leach, J Adam, L Williams, front row - J Kerr, W Stagg (Capt), Waight (President), J Hoskins and Leamon. Photo by Stuart Tompkins Studio.Yields information about the Camberwell Depot cricket team in 1956.Black and white photograph mounted onto heavy decorative card with names.tramways, cricket, camberwell depot, sports

The author, Francis Bosqui, was the Superintendent of the Standard Consolidated Mining Company's Cyanide Works, Brodie, California. Brown hard covered book of 201 pages. Includes many illustrations including a number of pullout photographs. Contents include history of Chemistry, laoratory tests, design of works, construction details, arrangements of pipes. leaching process, zinc, Nevada, South Africa, Australia. Chapter 14 is the exemplifications of practice: Australia, new Zealand and India. it includes references to Kalgoorlie, Hannan Brownhill mill, South German mine at Maldon, W.B. Gray, Day Dawn Mine in Western Australiacyanide, bosqui, nevada, america, mining

Green trifold document: Self Guided Tour No. 3 of the Bendigo Cemetery. On front, headstone image of William Roy Leach. Map of cemetery with numbered graves described e.g. Lady Jane Lamsey, honoured by Emperor of Chinese , Oscar Flight, Flight's Band 80 years dedicated to music. On back fold: this tour takes you past graves of some of Roy's old friends, as well as neglected graves, some bearing family names still found in the business directories of BendigoFriends of the Bendigo Cemeteries Inc. 1 May 1994.bendigo, cemetery, bendigo cemetery tour

Top Row, from left - Horst Woitassek, Barry Woodhouse, Danny Hick, Trevor Sorenson, Charles Harris, Marie Daye, Peter Sturtevant, Ian Leach, Dorothy Heywood, Gary York. Bottom Row, from left - Sue Hanna, Lyn Warburton, Stephen Gorst, Frank Tyler, Brian Wright, Bill Barber, Dave Lovatt, Helen Hickey, Carol Woodhams. (Staff not present - Lyn Glassford, Margaret Hosking, Sue Renehan, John Duffy, Deanne Brown, Dr. Hewitt, Alex Best).Two colour photographs, laminated, one with typed list of names 2 copies 22.5 x 27 cm laminated (12.5 x 20 cm photo)Originally contained in an envelope with handwritten note on enveloe to Allan Baker dated 14 Dec 1987 "Enclosed for your use are staff photos of all departments. I've given each Champion of Committees copies for all their respective Councillor photos of Depts reporting to each committee. Outdoor staff photos will be taken next week and I'll make those available as soon as possible. Cheers (Undecipherable)"shire of eltham, council staff

Robin WELCH ( 23 July 1936-5 December 2019) Born Nuneaton, Warwickshire, England Robin Welch is one of the most highly respected contemporary British potters. The full range of his work includes large vessels with related paintings, fine drawings, and distinctive bowls and vases which explore colour, surface texture, form, detail of edge, and line. He is one of small group of significant British potters who expanded the language of throwing pots on the wheel through post-wheel additions and alteration. This gave his generally cylindrical forms a more organic and sculptural aspect, but their heavily coloured and textured surfaces were as much about painting, too, as Robin sought an integration of the visual disciplines he enjoyed. As he once wrote: “There’s no divide between art or craft. You decide to be an artist and you’ll use anything. If marooned on a desert island you’d use driftwood.” (https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2019/dec/27/robin-welch-obituary, accessed 23 March 2021) Initially studying at Penzance School of Art under Michael Leach (son of Bernard Leach) and the Central School of Art, London Robin Welch then worked part-time at the Leach Pottery between 1953 and 1959 before opening his own pottery in London's west end (1960 to 1962). After a couple of years of world travel, including working in Australia from 1962 to1965 helping Ian Sprague set up his Mungeribar Pottery and exhibiting in Melbourne, Robin Welch returned to England setting up Stadbroke Pottery in Eye, Suffolk in 1965. Apart from his studion work Robnin Welch was a skilled designer for industry including Wedgwood. When not in his Suffolk studio Robin Welch spent much time in Australia where he appreciated the outback’s arid earth, brilliant light, grittier textures and luminous colour. When not in his Suffolk studio Robin Welch spent much time in Australia where he appreciated the outback’s arid earth and brilliant light, its grittier textures and luminous colour, qualities he sought to convey in-the-round and on canvas. Apart from his studion work Robnin Welch was a skilled designer for industry including Wedgwood, Midwinter and Denby.Stoneware bowl with flange. Glazed in white matt crackle with a faint copper red tint. Dry black glazed rim. Gift of the artist.Robin Welch stamped on baseceramics, robin welch, gippsland, gppsland campus, jan feder memorial ceramics collection

Robin WELCH ( 23 July 1936-5 December 2019) Born Nuneaton, Warwickshire, England Robin Welch is one of the most highly respected contemporary British potters. The full range of his work includes large vessels with related paintings, fine drawings, and distinctive bowls and vases which explore colour, surface texture, form, detail of edge, and line. He is one of small group of significant British potters who expanded the language of throwing pots on the wheel through post-wheel additions and alteration. This gave his generally cylindrical forms a more organic and sculptural aspect, but their heavily coloured and textured surfaces were as much about painting, too, as Robin sought an integration of the visual disciplines he enjoyed. As he once wrote: “There’s no divide between art or craft. You decide to be an artist and you’ll use anything. If marooned on a desert island you’d use driftwood.” (https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2019/dec/27/robin-welch-obituary, accessed 23 March 2021) Initially studying at Penzance School of Art under Michael Leach (son of Bernard Leach) and the Central School of Art, London Robin Welch then worked part-time at the Leach Pottery between 1953 and 1959 before opening his own pottery in London's west end (1960 to 1962). After a couple of years of world travel, including working in Australia from 1962 to1965 helping Ian Sprague set up his Mungeribar Pottery and exhibiting in Melbourne, Robin Welch returned to England setting up Stadbroke Pottery in Eye, Suffolk in 1965. Apart from his studion work Robnin Welch was a skilled designer for industry including Wedgwood. When not in his Suffolk studio Robin Welch spent much time in Australia where he appreciated the outback’s arid earth, brilliant light, grittier textures and luminous colour. Stoneware bowl on a tall foot. Calcium matt glaze, underglaze colour with underglaze metallic lustre. ceramic, jan feder memorial ceramics collection, robin welch, gippsland campus, mungeribar pottery, stadbroke pottery

Robin WELCH ( 23 July 1936-5 December 2019) Born Nuneaton, Warwickshire, England Robin Welch is one of the most highly respected contemporary British potters. The full range of his work includes large vessels with related paintings, fine drawings, and distinctive bowls and vases which explore colour, surface texture, form, detail of edge, and line. He is one of small group of significant British potters who expanded the language of throwing pots on the wheel through post-wheel additions and alteration. This gave his generally cylindrical forms a more organic and sculptural aspect, but their heavily coloured and textured surfaces were as much about painting, too, as Robin sought an integration of the visual disciplines he enjoyed. As he once wrote: “There’s no divide between art or craft. You decide to be an artist and you’ll use anything. If marooned on a desert island you’d use driftwood.” (https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2019/dec/27/robin-welch-obituary, accessed 23 March 2021) When not in his Suffolk studio Robin Welch spent much time in Australia where he appreciated the outback’s arid earth and brilliant light, its grittier textures and luminous colour, qualities he sought to convey in-the-round and on canvas. Apart from his studion work Robnin Welch was a skilled designer for industry including Wedgwood, Midwinter and Denby. Initially studying at Penzance School of Art under Michael Leach (son of Bernard Leach) and the Central School of Art, London Robin Welch then worked part-time at the Leach Pottery between 1953 and 1959 before opening his own pottery in London's west end (1960 to 1962). After a couple of years of world travel, including working in Australia from 1962 to1965 helping Ian Sprague set up his Mungeribar Pottery and exhibiting in Melbourne, Robin Welch returned to England setting up Stadbroke Pottery in Eye, Suffolk in 1965.Stoneware bowl with split flange, glazed with matt white, black and a touch of copper red Tobin Welch stamped on basejan feder memorial ceramics collection, ceramics, robin welch, gippsland campus, jan feder

sepia image ( copy ) image shows group of 7 men dressed in prisoner's clothes, dark jackets, white pants and white skull caps with arrow head imprinted. On back of image ' this taken at Bendigo Easter Fair 1930, costumes borrowed from Pentridge Prison. Footwear retail Dave Collier, DWC, Stan Giovenetti Spag, Wall De Araugo, Killer, Vic Blaeminch employed Colliers, Squizzey, Frank Leach, Tobacco Sthop Mitchell St., Slim, Jack Richards, Grovery, Mitchell Street, Spiko, Nicknames are also written on image.easter fair, collier, giovenetti, de araugo, vlaeminch, leach, richards.

A newspaper article with a photo of Barbara Leach, volunteering with a badge tray, and a bag piper in the centre of St Kilda Road. The slogan says "Please buy a badge". The photo appeared on the front page of the Herald Sun on 6 September 1991 to publicise Legacy Week. The accompanying article says that police piper Constable Ross Bates played outside Legacy House to pipe in Legacy Day, which saw hundreds of collectors spread across Melbourne for the badge appeal. The appeal was aiming to reach $500000 to beat the previous year's total of $467,702. The picture is attributed to George Salpigtidis.A record of promoting Legacy during Badge Week.Newspaper article with a photo of a bag piper and a lady collecting for the Legacy Appeal.fundraising, legacy appeal, legacy week, badge week, leach

Centred on present day 54 Kelway Crescent, Eltham North bounded by Glen Gully Road to north, Meruka Drive to south, Eltham College to east and Leach Street to west. Historic Aerial Imagery Source: Landata.vic.gov.au Aerial Photo Details: Project No :250 Project : MELBOURNE OUTER SUBURBS PROJECT Run : 17 Frame : 113 Date : 02/1956 Film Type : B/W Camera : EAG9 Flying Height : 10000 Scale : 12000 Film Number : 1176 GDA2020 : 37°42'16"S, 145°08'08"E MGA2020 : 335650, 5825336 (55) Melways : 21 G2 (ed. 42)aerial photo, 1956-02, eltham, eltham north, glen gully road, leach street, main road, melway 21g2, meruka drive, montmorency, neil webster collection

Centred on present day Tahlee Place Reserve and Sherbourne Preschool, Montmorency bounded by Progress Road to north, Withers Way to south, Main Road to east and Leach Street to west. Historic Aerial Imagery Source: Landata.vic.gov.au Aerial Photo Details: Project No :250 Project : MELBOURNE OUTER SUBURBS PROJECT Run : 17 Frame : 114 Date : 02/1956 Film Type : B/W Camera : EAG9 Flying Height : 10000 Scale : 12000 Film Number : 1176 GDA2020 : 37°42'50"S, 145°08'02"E MGA2020 : 335512, 5824286 (55) Melways : 21 F5 (ed. 42)aerial photo, 1956-02, neil webster collection, central park, eltham, leach street, main road, melway 21f5, montmorency, progress road, withers way, sherbourne preschool, tahlee place reserve

'Shiloah' was the home of Isaac Jeeves the younger - son of Isaac Jeeves the Valley Pioneer and brother of Ellis Jeeves. Isaac built this house himself using local timber he cut and split. It was ready for his marriage to Selina Leach of Bayswater in 1886. ‘Shiloah' was enlarged to take guests in the early 1900s. It was situated close to a beautiful fern gully and Isaac and his family capitalised on this by setting out walking tracks through the ferns. They charged 1/- to walk through and this included afternoon tea in a garden setting. ‘Shiloah’ was a popular tourist attraction but the making of the Olinda Creek Road destroyed the fern gullies and, by the 1930s, it was all finished.Black and white photograph of wooden structure with two wings and a central verandah. Eight adults sitting or standing at the front.Handwritten on back by John Lundy-Clarke "Shiloah" 1913.isaac jeeves, isaac jeeves the younger, ellis jeeves, shiloah, guest house, guesthouse, selina leach, selina jeeves, olinda creek road

Black cover book, wire binding, 13 pages of text and maps. On front: Fosterville Gold Project' Map of ore body on cover - Central North, Central Ellesmere, Harringtons Hill. Contents include: open pits, heap leaching, waste dumps, estimated project life, changes from previously approved project, estimated project life, main project components, expanded open pits and underground mines, processing sulphide ore, tailings storages, waste rock dumps. Principles of rehabilitation, site preparation, rehabilitation activities during operation and decommissioning activities. Environmental issues, and summary of proposed new operating conditions.bendigo, mining, fosterville gold mine

Information from the notes of Nancy Leach re Emma Elizabeth Weston who sailed for Melbourne on the 'Charlotte Gladstone' on 9/9/1869. She subsequently ran a bakery in Swanston street and later married Thomas Scott, Tinner and Galvanizer. They lived in Victoria street (now rooks Road) and had several children, one daughter being named Emma. Emma married Mr. Ottenbach who jumped ship from the German navy and they had a daughter, Christina who was a member of the Nunawading Historical society. Emma (Junior) worked at the Australian tesselated tile Co. in Mitcham and learnt art in order to design tiles.Information from the notes of Nancy Leach re Emma Elizabeth Weston who sailed for Melbourne on the 'Charlotte Gladstone' on 9/9/1869. weston, emma elizabeth;, scott, thomas, emma elizabeth, otterbach mr, otterbach, christina emma, australian tesselated tile co pty ltd, leach, nancy, pioneers

Len CASTLE (23 December 1924 – 29 September 2011 ) Born New Zealand 'My best work is when intuition and conscious choice come together successfully.' Len Castle trained as a secondary schoolteacher and started making pottery in 1947. Initially self-taught, he was the first potter to be awarded a fellowship from the Association of New Zealand Art Societies, travelling to St Ives to work with Bernard Leach in 1956-57. He lectured at the Auckland Teachers' College until the early 1960s, before concentrating on making stoneware at Titirangi, New Zealand. Len Castle was an artist in residence at the Gippsland Centre for Art and Design (GCAD).Two piece press moulded ceramic form with glaze wash surface.ceramics, len castle, gippsland campus, jan feder memorial ceramics collection

A photo of Barbara Leach, volunteering with a badge tray, and a bag piper in the centre of St Kilda Road. The slogan says "Please buy a badge". It appears to have been professionally taken to publicise Legacy Week in the newspapers. The photo appeared on the front page of the Herald Sun on 6 September 1991. The accompanying articles says that police piper Constable Ross Bates played outside Legacy House to pipe in Legacy Day, which saw hundreds of collectors spread across Melbourne for the badge appeal. The appeal was aiming to reach $500000 to beat the previous year's total of $467,702. The reference number 910906/9 could mean the date was the 6th September 1991. The picture is attributed to George Salpigtidis.A record of promoting Legacy in Badge Week.Black and white photo of a bag piper and a lady collecting for the Legacy Appeal.Stamped with copyright of Herald and Weekly Times in green ink. Hand written 910906/9 on blue pen.fundraising, legacy appeal, legacy week, badge week

Leslie DUMBRELL (14 October 1941 - ) Born Melbourne, Victoria Leslie Dumbrell was a pioneer of geometric abstraction in Australia. After completing a Diploma of Art (Painting) at the Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology (RMIT) in Melbourne in 1962, Leslie Dumbrell adopted the international style of colour field and hard-edged abstraction. She taught alongside Peter Booth, James Doolin and Alun Leech-Jones at RMIT and Prahran College of Advanced Education. In 1966 Dumbrell was appointed to the Prahran College of Advanced Education teacing with Alan Leach-Jones and Jim Doolin. This item is part of the Federation University Art Collection. The Art Collection features over 2000 works and was listed as a 'Ballarat Treasure' in 2007.Geometric AbstractionA large painted canvas with precise, brightly coloured geometric patterns on a black background. Dumbrell uses colour and line to create optical effects which often convey the illusion of movement. art, artwork, dumbrell, hard-edged abstraction, colour field, leslie dumbrell

Len CASTLE (23 December 1924 – 29 September 2011 ) Born Auckland, New Zealand 'My best work is when intuition and conscious choice come together successfully.' Len Castle trained as a secondary schoolteacher and started making pottery in 1947. Initially self-taught, he was the first potter to be awarded a fellowship from the Association of New Zealand Art Societies, travelling to St Ives to work with Bernard Leach in 1956-57. He lectured at the Auckland Teachers' College until the early 1960s, before concentrating on making stoneware at Titirangi, New Zealand. Len Castle was an artist in residence at the Gippsland Centre of Art and Design c1979.Press moulded bowl. Gift of the artist.ceramics, jan feder, jan feder memorial ceramics collection, len castle, gippsland campus

Gwyn HANSSEN PIGGOT (1935-2013) Born Ballarat Gwyn Hanssen Piggot completed a Bachelor of Fine Arts at Melbourne University in 1954. She spent three years apprenticed to Ivan McMeekin at Sturt Pottery, Mittagong, New South Wales. Between 1958 and 1965 Gwyn Hanssen-Pigott worked at various potteries in the United Kingdom, including Winchcombe Pottery in Gloucestershire, Leach Pottery at St Ives, and Wenford Bridge Pottery and Aldermaston Pottery in Berkshire. In 1960 she established her own studio in London. The essence of her work is purity, simplicity and form. She worked with porcelain for strength and for its translucent nature, and fired with wood to add a dine ash bloom to glazes. In 1992 Gwyn Hanssen Piggot was artist in residence at the Ballarat School of Mines.A small woodfired bowl by internationally renown ceramicist Gwyn Hanssen Piggot. gwyn hanssen-pigott, ceramics, gippsland campus, bowl, jan feder memorial ceramics collection, woodfire 86

Robert BARRON (1957- ) Born in Harpenden, England. Robert Barron first worked full-time with clay in 1976, the family pottery at Croydon, Victoria. In 1979, he left Australia on a five-year journey to New Zealand, North America, England, Europe, and South Korea to work with skilled potters in woodfiring. During this time, he visited Michael Cardew at Wenford Bridge Pottery, Cornwall, UK., and was engaged as an apprentice at Cornwall Bridge Pottery, Connecticut, USA. Returning to Australia in 1984, he established Gooseneck Pottery at Kardella, Victoria. With the assistance of a Crafts Board grant Robert Barron built a 1000 cubic ft five-chambered Nabori-Gama style woodfired kiln. This kiln one of the largest wood-fired kilns in Australia. Robert Barron is influenced by the philosophies of Bernard Leach and Michael Cardew.artwork, artist, ceramic, gippsland campus, robert barron

Photos of a Christmas Party for junior legatees and the Melbourne Legacy Leadership Group. It appears to have been sponsored by Brumby's bakeries. Location is not known. The children are being given gifts of sleeping bags by Santa Claus. In the first photo is Barbara Leach, a Legacy widow who became a Legatee. It is December 2001 as a similar photo was used for the 2001 Annual Report. The Melbourne Legacy Leadership Group is a dedicated group of young people aged between 18 and 35 years who themselves were Junior Legatees. They organise and conduct events throughout the year for young Junior Legatees. The photos were mounted in an album of events that happened for Junior Legatees in 2001, including a trip to the Aquarium, a trip to Luna Park, horse riding and fishing and a Melbourne Legacy Leadership Group Christmas party. Melbourne Legacy arranged many events for Junior Legatees to experience. A record of the outings provided for Junior Legatees organised by Legacy and by the Leadership Group.Colour photo x 6 of a Christmas Party for Junior Legatees and the Legacy Leadership Group December 2001.Yellow label printed 'Christmas Party 2001'.junior legatee outing, junior legatees, christmas party, leadership

The Ballarat School of Mines (SMB) Football team and their coach pose for a team photograph. Standing left to right: C. Birkett, R. Matthews, P. Prenc, C. Hirt, A. Leach, C. Gordon, D. Waight, M. Drinkwater Centre left to right: A. Britt, R.. Graham. Colin McCurry, D. Ryan (Captain), B. Browning (Vice-Captain), M. Furlong, G. Shaw. Front left to right: S. gracie, R. Thomas, Q. Shortal, I. Clarke, A. Conway Absent: S. Gordon, C. Greenock, S. Keys, D. Webb Results: Bendigo (6-14) defeated SMB (6-5) SMB (11-8) defeated Geelong (6-7) SMB (11-10 defeated Footscray (4-9) ballarat of mines, football, australian rules, mccurry

Five interpretive cards used for displays, yellow with black and orange text, describing the North Deborah, Deborah, Central Nell Gwynne and Napoleon Gold Mines. a. North Deborah: closed 16th November 1954. Shaft was 1300 feet deep. Total dividends 686,200 pounds. b. Deborah: underground operations suspended 1952, shaft 2076 feet. c. Central Nell Gwynne: operations ceased at end of 1949, shaft depth 1933 feet. d. Napoleon: first subsidiary company formed by BML to carry out comprehensive programme of development along Napoleon anticline. Shaft 1054 feet in 1937 when opertions ceased. e. Devonshire Sands, formed in 1933. Cyanide leaching plants installed on sand tailings heaps at Bendigo.Albert Richardsonbendigo, mining, north deborag mining company

Yields information about the transfer of tram 37 to Sydney for the Sydney Tramway Museum or SPER.Set of 9 Fujifilm white cardboard slides and four AGFA blue and white plastic mount slides of the loading of Ballarat 37 for the Sydney Tramway Museum or SPER 27/9/1971. Reference Reg Item 3929 for list of dates of tram disposal. .1 - No. 30 towing 37 out of the depot .2 - pushing along Wendouree Parade .3 - SEC logo on the side of 37 .4 - Getting cranes into position. .5 - ditto - Ballarat Lifting Services Ute van in the photo. .6 - getting ready. .7 - ditto .8 - tram in the air .9 - truck being moved underneath. .10 - ditto .11 - ditto .12 - on the truck - J. J. Leach & Co transport. .13 - ready to go. Photo from the collection of Lilian Butler. ballarat, tramways, trams, tram disposal, moving trams, sper, logos, tram 37

The Marist Brothers arrived in Bendigo in 1893 and began classes for boys in makeshift classrooms at St Killians. By the next year they had moved to a permanent school in McCrae Street. In 1983 Marist amalgamated with St Mary's to form a co-educational school, "Catholic College.Bendigo Advertiser ''The way we were'' from 2003. Smiles: Marist Brothers College grade four students in 1946. Back row from left: T. Thompson, G. Phillips, M. Costello, R. Epworth, A. Flood. Fourth row: D. Astern, G. Whelan, R. Mustey, J. Peate, B. Board, A. Leach, J. Nelson, L. O'Brien. Third row: L. Laity, R. Marriott, E. Jenkins, R. Burns, D. Mann, P. Ryan, A. Young, I. Raeburn. Second row: G. Bartlett, A. Gibbin, B. O'Farrell, N. Johnson, J. Gill, B. Heard, M. Hutchinson. Front row: B. Burtonclay, F Burtonclay, J. Buck, B. Mitchell, F. Green and B. O'Mahony. The clip is in a folder.newspaper, bendigo advertiser, the way we were